Wait a minute there, Missy. What? Am I dead to you? Not counted on the Obama side? Harumph! I’M JUST AS PASSIONATE AS ANYBODY!!! (See? I have the caps and exclamation points to prove it.)

Anyway, yes. I would vote for her if she’s the nominee. And frankly, the only people I’ve heard say they won’t vote for the D nominee are Clinton supporters.

Nope. Leaning towards McCain right now, but I’ll consider Obama once we see how the true Republican/ Democrat fight starts.

I would vote for her, but only since she’d be the lesser of two evils. Up until about 6 or 8 weeks ago, I said I would be happy if she were the nominee, though I prefer Obama, but that’s no longer the case. And I can understand those who would jump ship if she was their Dem candidate.

She is certainly within her rights to remain in the race, but SHE is the one creating and furthering this split in the party. She’s playing dirtier every day (3 a.m., etc.), and she knows good and well she will not be the nominee.

Nobody HAS to like her just because she’s a Democrat. So don’t be surprised that not everyone buys into her tactics.

And, by the way, I think you may be overstating the Obama supporters’ comments critical of Clinton. “I’d rather eat glass than vote for Hillary; she’ll screw up the country; the Clintons should be drummed out of the country; her supporters are reactionary, racist idiots?” Huh?

I’ve never called you reactionary.

/Ducks.

Re: 1. Don’t Mess w/ Pink

yeah, i haven’t heard any obama supporters say they’ll vote for mccain, either. whether the 20 year olds will show up at all without obama on the ticket is another matter …

as a neutral party (to prove it, i’m the only fool driving around town with both edwards and kucinich stickers on my car), of course i would vote for clinton.

and of course she is disingenuous (if not all those other things). to take affront at such a charge would be, well, oblivuous.

ps - i caught the “having everyone’s vote counted would be undemocratic” crack in another post. in truth, it would be no more or less democratic than, say, counting only every third vote.

What’s the best way to say “by the way” again? By, by the way? By, by the way, way?

Forget it. In addition …

I’m sorry you get uncomfortable with the dialogue, but that’s because you’re passionate too. There’s nothing wrong with that. I think it’s very cool that you’re the catalyst for dialogue — and a damn funny and talented one at that — and that we can disagree and come here to talk about it. Please try not to take it personally. I think of it as family disagreeing. Just consider me your extremely annoying cousin. You know you love me.

Of course I would. I have never dreaded anything about a potential HRC presidency other than a continuation of the noise that would accompany it and a peripatetic Bill Clinton roaming the halls at 1600. He has managed to reawaken memories in many of us as to why we are less than 100% fond of him.

But as I have often made clear here, it’s a moot point. The nomination is Obama’s.

Of course I would. I totally missed out on that Lincoln bedroom gravy train the last time, so I need another chance!

Re: 7. PJunkie

yes.

my (50/50) step-mother just visited, huge clinton supporter. and she wanted to rehearse the arguments about: why hillary would be more successful in november, how she’s won all the big states, why she would be a better president, and so on.

the reality of “you must have the most votes at the convention to win, and clinton cannot do that” just couldn’t penetrate the armor of reasons.

Define “vote”.

Actually, for me and my wife it goes to who is McCain’s running mate. Christ for VP? I go McCain. One of the far right governors, I hold my nose and vote Hillary.

The reason is three-fold. First, I think McCain is old. I want to hedge my bets and I am assuming when I vote that he will not make it to the end of his term. So his VP is a Presidential candidate in my mind. Gov Christ is a moderate and has pissed off Jeb Bush’s people so I like him. If McCain is elected with a moderate VP, it means he did not cow-tow to the religious right which means he can govern from the center and the court is not at risk.

The second reason is that President Hillary Clinton is not what I would vote against per se, but former President and first man Bill Clinton I would. In this campaign, she has given me no indication that she can control him or that he would take a backseat. Penn was his relationship, not hers.

Finally, my first presidential election was 1984. I have never seen a presidential ballot without “Bush” or “Clinton” on it. Both of these families are divisive and have half (at least) the country hating them. I don’t think it is healthy for the country to have any president entering office with that much animosity.

Oh, and McCain has a better rack.

I’ve voted for plenty of crappy, lesser-of-two-evils Democrats before, and I can do it again. I’m just glad that I won’t have to.
Is that the ringing endorsement you were looking for?

You called Wright a “sociopath”. He’s not a sociopath. That man that was arrested in Austria is a sociopath. When discussing the tendency of Obama supporters to go overboard with rhetoric, you are a pot calling the kettle black.

If John McCain was still the maverick that made him the darling of independents and fiscal conservatives, I would vote for him over Hillary in a heartbeat. I simply don’t like the idea of a few families running our country (sorry PL, that includes your Kennedy clan), nor do I like the Clinton’s scorched-earth, ends-justify-the-means approach to politics.

That said, THIS John McCain somehow thinks Bush’s tax cuts are a good idea. THIS John McCain is unabashedly supportive of a war that continues to be as wrong-headed as it ever was. THIS John McCain said Obama is the candidate of Hamas. THIS John McCain doesn’t know the difference between a Sunni or a Shia.

I would hold my nose and vote for Hillary. There. I said it.

/happy now?
//I just threw up in my mouth

Re: 9. The Best Ever Death Metal Band in Denton

Denton, You’re a better band then I am.

PL, I am so turned off by HRC’s tactics that my answer today is no. I am not proud of that. I cannot easily forgive her fear tactics (sleeping blonde white girl, WTF?) her campaign’s race-baiting, her divisiveness, her dishonesty (misspoke is newspeak for lied), and her machinations (see vote for war).

If she regains the high road, I’ll reconsider. If she wins by destroying a colleague, I will not reward her with my vote. Those are not my values. If that is what the democratic party is all about, I’d rather see it fail spectacularly and be rebuilt from the ground up.

/I reserve the right to change my mind.

//Your blog is amazing. Kudos for a great job. I enjoy the debate with both sides of this divided blogville.

I will hold my nose and vote for her.

I’m voting for Miley Cyrus.

Re: 11. West Texas Hillbilly

I would add that continuing her campaign is the most selfish bunch of bullsh*t I have witnessed in a long, long time.

I used to be fine with both, but favor Obama.

Now her name elicits an involuntary sneer.

Even then, I would never vote for McCain.

sure

If Hillary wins the nomination, I will vote for her. And, like Amberbama, I would have proudly, instantly said so until the “kitchen sink” strategy kicked in. I’m begiining to believe Eugene Robinson’s theory that Hillary would rather have McCain win in a McCain-Obama contest. Either I’m cynical, or she is.

What really matters, though, is the thousands of people I’ve seen rally around Obama just here in Austin. They’ll vote for Obama, yes — but they’ll also re-elect Strama and Howard and Bolton. Statewide, they’ll make it close for Noriega and even give us some surprises in the judicial races. What happens if all of them decide to sit it out?

You could argue that the opposite is true (in fact, I anticipate that), but I have not seen anything to indicate that Hillary has brought anywhere near the number of new voters into the process that Obama has.

Can the Hil-dog really ignore the fact that key players tried to impeach her hubby? Can she really move beyond the Washington poison-ivy fight to be effective as pres? (Nobody wins a p.i.f.) Can she really help us heal?

If McCain hadn’t acted like such a port-of-call prostitute this campaign, I woulda said him. Now… not sure.

Gas around $4 a gallon.

Only Democrats could f*uck this up.

I, for one, will be checking the box (clicking the wheel?) next to McCain’s name if Obama doesn’t get the nomination. I just can’t vote for her. Just can’t. I know that as a “long time reader, first time commenter” I will begin my relationship with this blog on PL’s bad side (please don’t hate me, I really like what you have to say!).

I have heard many folks say the same thing, but then again, I’m totally open to the idea that it may be a problem with my circle of friends.

Re: 11. Prince Royal

It’s Crist, not Christ. Unless, of course, you actually mean Christ, Jesus H. Although I think he’s under 35.

Of course I’d vote for the rotten, no good’, disingenous, special interest lovin’, lyin’ about gettin’ bombed, NAFTA flip-floppin’, Iraq-war supportin’ b*tch.

Given my age and general state of health, this will probably be the last presidential vote that I cast -assuming I’m still here.

Along with a general attempt to atone for all my sins, real or imagined prior to ming la calaca, I am in no position to sin against the country by voting for the seemingly endless bush-clinton-bush-clinton who’s on first routine that we have fallen heir to.

No, I will not vote for that mendacious scoundrel. I will hope for a democratic congress to rein in Mcain’t, realizing that if they are anything like the current dems, it may be the end of civilization.

I’d vote for anyone but McCain simply on Supreme Court grounds. I don’t want to see the SC overturn Roe v. Wade, or side with the anti-science right-wing crowd. I would like stem cell research, thank you.

Re: 4. Don’t Mess w/ Pink

Those are direct quotes I lifted from the comments.

Re: 13. trzz

You’re right. I called Wright a sociopath. And I won’t take it back. But I have never said anything like that about Obama the candidate and that’s the issue here.

I take it you won’t vote for Hillary? Mainly because someone as insensitive as me is voting for Hillary?

I hope that Clinton will advocate for Obama when he wins as vigorously as she is advocating for herself, because we Democrats are going to need that to unify under the Donkey again (and yes, I am an Obama supporter, but if Hillary pulls it off then I want him to do the same thing).

What do you see from Hillary supporters when you scan the comments?

Check the log in your own eye before you point out the speck.

I’ve always said I’d gladly vote for the D nominee whoever it is that still holds true. I just hope this race hasn’t alienated so many people that the D won’t win.

This is the first election where I’m actually considering staying home. Just so sad by how its all played out. I’ve been on the Obama-wagon for a very long time (http://strangenessofheather.blogspot.com/2007/02/get-behind-obama.html), and it’s always been because the Republicans are making it very clear they can win this thing if they’re going against Clinton. I can’t even bear what that says to the rest of the world if we rubber-stamp another Republican into office.

//I need a(nother) drink!

Of Course

Re: 27. strangeHeather

Did you stay home in 2000 when the cynics were saying that there was essentially no difference between Bush and Gore? How’s that working out for you?

Nope — I voted in my red state where it didn’t matter. But dangit, I voted anyway.

If by some miracle its close in Texas, then I would consider regurgitating the glass I ate and vote HRC…IF…she somehow wrangles the nomination.
Despite all the passion and discussion, I can’t imagine either HRC or BHO winning Texas in the general. Winner takes all in the electoral college and McCain wins Texas. Period.

/If I must vomit, I’d really rather have consumed mass quantities of beer.
//Just don’t make me eat my words…my calorie count is high enough as it is.

Re: 25. Pink Lady

Happy to oblige…..I think.

PL:
I haven’t read any of the comment (there are 31 now). I just wanted to respond directly to you post.

I have been an Obama supporter from the start, but regardless, I’m voting for D in the General. If it were Edwards, or Kucinich, or god forbid, Al Gore some how decided he wanted another crack.

In my opinon, in HRC, or BHO, we have two outstanding candidates. Both of whom would be excellent CIC. I still hope for the dream Ticket with Hill on Top, on Obama on the bottom, just because that sets us up for the 16 year plan. The road to recovery, as I like to call it.

I think its a shame everytime I hear someone on either fence say “I won’t vote for them if their the Nominee.” It sucks the our own party in-fighting will more than likely cost us the election. Again.
Keep on trucking, and I’ll keep reading every word.

I still believe Hillary’s the better candidate with a better plan and a better chance to beat McCain, but I’ll vote for Obama in the fall if/when he’s the nom. That pic of him with the Tarheels the other day is softening the blow for me.

Re: 33. lush

Geek.

i can die happy now, i’ve been mentioned in an ITPT post!

I will answer the question but first, just to clarify, i did not Hillary bash in any of my comments yesterday. And I wish that is not what had dominated the conversation. What got to me yesterday is that I read this blog for three reasons 1) PL’s humor 2) to have a place in the world as a wino and 3) to get a different spin on the news than the MSM, and i haven’t seen a lot of the latter lately. Did anyone see the entirety of Wright’s speech at the NPC? People fear the unknown. People are outraged by Wright because the haven’t a clue about the “Invisible” Black Church. And so rather than taking this as an opportunity to have a meaningful discussion about racism, it’s being used as a cheap shot by the MSM. But who am I kidding, this is an election, anything is fair game, right? Well if that is the case, how come the likes of Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, John Hagee and Rod Parsley have never been an “issue” for a presidential nominee?

PL, I agree with you that critical issues such as “Supreme Court nominations; Iraq; healthcare; foreign policy; the economy” are on the table. And the MSM has done a good job of distracting us from that with the Wright scandal. And so if you really want McCain to lose and if you want the Obama supporters to get on board with Hillary, then take the cheapshots at McCain and highlight the differences in policy between Hillary and Barack.

So finally, to answer your question, I pledge not to vote for McCain in November :P

p.s. i hope you realize how hard it is to disagree with you because all any of us want is to be liked by you! It’s like your the head cheerleader dating the quarterback and I didn’t even make the squad!

Re: 27. strangeHeather

your comment makes me really, really sad.

but i also think people with your attitude don’t really deserve to vote, so i suppose it’s best you stay home. enjoy that.

Re: 30. Lefty

What’s the worst a Hillary commenter has ever said about Obama? I don’t think he’s ever been called a racist, selfish, win-at-all-costs, lying, dirty bitch.

Maybe you’re confusing this with another blog.

Hell to the YES!

McCain is freaky old, got a crazy temper and the last thing I want is someone with PTSD making decisions of global importance.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/dec07/mccain_suicide_ptsd.htm

Yeah, I said it. The man is not stable and we have had way too much of unstable people in charge.

Hanging out in Hanoi Hilton doesn’t make you a bad person but it sure doesn’t make you sane. I don’t ever want to worry that our president will lose it and do something insanely stupid. We already had 7 years of that… and BTW 264 days left until Bush is out.

McCain would be a third Bush term.

OK, PL. Including Pinko Heart, I count 20 votes in November for Hillary if she’s the nominee out of 23 Obama supporters. (Golden Eye doesn’t count sinces he’s basically for McCain unless Obama steals his heart, and trzz didn’t say. Lushie’s a Hil girl.)

That’s a whopping 87%.

YES!

I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee and I said so on the radio with Sam, Ed and Mark using my other fake name.

Don’t you dare close down this blog. We love you.

If HRC would divorce Bill, the glass would be so much more palatable….

Ok, 25 of 29. 86%.

As noted in a previous comment I think that Hilary is the one splitting the party by playing dirty. True, Obams is retaliating and as of the past few days hasn’t had such a hot streak himself but if he isn’t that candidate I will not be voting for the Dems. Her fiery campaigning hasn’t won me over.

Re: 46. treehugger

You know, I gotta say I disagree with you on that point. It’s possible she stayed with him because she loves him, flaws and all. (Yes, I believe she is capable of that emotion.) If so, I would reach the opposite conclusion — that it actually took incredible strength of character for her to remain his wife.

Only if she promises to continue the issuance of Sharper Image gift certificates…

…I mean…”economic stimulus packages!”

-Put

If she gets the nomination I’ll vote for her. And I’ll support her and hope she can deliver on universal healthcare, part deaux.

BUT—if this thing goes to convention (which it obviously will) and she comes away with the nomination, the process had better be 100% transparent and above the table. If it appears the slightest bit shady, she’ll loose any hope of uniting the party and bringing over the Obama supporters. And then she’ll get creamed in the general by ‘ol Pasty.

/Aways had a thing for pantsuits anyway.

Re: 48. Don’t Mess w/ Pink

What! My vote doesn’t count or something?

I’ll absolutely vote for HRC if she’s the nominee, because I’m not sure if the country I love can survive any more Republican rule. It’s as simple as that.

Re: 48. Don’t Mess w/ Pink

A valid point, but without trust what are you left with…other than the $150k per speaking engagement breadwinner, that is. Perhaps they reached an “agreement” early on in the marriage, who knows….stranger marriage arrangements have existed I’m sure. The strength of character could be argued either way, IMO. I try to be understanding, but I’m rather strict when it comes to adultry. If a man/woman cheats on a spouse, then they flat out can’t be trusted. Call me unfashionably and unapologetically monogamous. I’m not too crazy about McCain for the same reasons…..other than Bush 3rd term, Supreme Court, etc., etc., that is.

Re: 14. Outsider

I ALWAYS KNEW YOU LOVED HER!

Re: 52. NOITALL

Of course your vote for Miley counts. In an existential, slightly creepy sort of way. But we’re counting whether Obama supporters will go for Clinton, not what Miley supporters will be doing. Much as we admire and respect you!

Re: treehugger
That’s why we adore you.

Re: 42. Pink Lady

“untested, possibly radical, lightweight who gives a good speech and little else” “elitist”, “out of touch”

I would guess you think those are fair criticisms of Obama based on his words and his campaigns actions.

Have you considered that perhaps her campaign has done things and she has said things that allow people to draw unflattering conclusions about her?

Liar? wonder where someone would get the impression that she’s liar? Perhaps it has to do with the fact that she has stated as fact things that are verifiably untrue.

The fact that the criticisms are harsher and more objectionable does not make them any less fair when they are based on fact.

I’m not defending the characterization of senator Clinton as a “dirty bitch” that’s way out of line irrelevant, inappropriate, and as far as I can tell not based on fact.

Thanks Pink Lady for putting up this post…it has been long overdue. Your description of Obama supporters hatred toward Hillary is pretty right on. Just because you support one candidate doesn’t mean you have to vehemently hate the other. Can’t tell you how many times I have tried to candidly talk with an Obama supporter about the election, issues, and candidates and they get all crazy eyed on me and start talking all fast and hyper like when you try to suggest to old single women that they may have too many cats to take care of.

And, yes of course I would vote for Hillary if she were the nominee.

Re: 41. double tonic

That makes me want to vote just to piss you off.

And now I’ll go back to lurking where I don’t get attacked every time I say something. I clearly missed the “appropriate commenting” gene.

Re: 58. strangeHeather

You can’t stick your neck out and not expect this crowd to jump down your throat.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that…

And YES I will vote for HRC if she wins. But I still don’t think she will.

Re: 57. waterlootx
But are you currently an Obama supporter? That’s the question.

Re: 58. strangeHeather
Don’t let her scare you off. She’s a vote-or-die kinda girl, but I bet also understands your being disaffected by the whole thing. Hang in there. I hate the way this has degenerated. And I hate the way Clinton has tried to throw Obama under the bus, or at least not disavowed the not-so-subtle racism. But go ahead and show your blue vote in this red state. It’s important!

Like PL, I swore off of ITPT yesterday, and I declined to comment… not because of all of the misplaced anger from yesterday’s post, but because I was nursing a nasty absinthe hangover - WOWZAHS!

I’ve noted here before that I respect 99.9% of the readers/writers who share these pages. In a time when it is so incredibly important to know and truly understand our fellow voters’ perspectives, ITPT is an invaluable medium for us all. And while I enjoy the healthy exchanges I read here, I am disheartened and scared to see that healthy exchange turn into nothing more than an online shouting match. If I wanted to see to Democrats ripping the party apart from the inside, I would watch MTP - I have literally stopped watching it.

Our country has been lead by a corrupt, imbecilic, war-mongering administration for 8 years. Every pillar of our society is literally on the verge of collapse. We are at war; the economy is faltering;unemployment is on the rise; 2 million families could face foreclosure within the next 2 to 3 years; the list goes on and on. If we, Democrats, do not capitalize on the opportunity we have in November, we do not have the right to complain - ever again.

I’ve said it before: I WILL SUPPORT BARACK OBAMA IF HRC DOES NOT WIN THE NOMINATION. I like to make jokes and take a jab at his supporters from time to time, but I do so in jest. I think HRC is the better candidate, faults and all, but I respect and admire BHO, and will support him with zeal, if he wins the nomination. I cannot and will not consider voting for a member of the party that lead us to the current, sad state of our nation. To date 4,061 Americans have died under the “leadership” of George Bush. We owe it to those servicemembers, and those before them, to make a change in this country and steer away from the division our party is seeing right now.

I know no one likes the soap box, so I will close with an excerpt from Hubert Humphrey’s 1948 address to the Democratic National Convention. Forgive me for taking it out of context, but I believe it is a nice fit for discussion at hand:

“My good friends, my fellow Democrats, I ask you for a calm consideration of our historic opportunity. Let us not forget the evil — Let us do forget the evil passions and the blindness of the past. In these times of world economic, political, and spiritual — above all spiritual crisis, we cannot and we must not turn from the path so plainly before us. “

Re: 58. strangeHeather

Staying home is shortsighted. It hurts the down ballot Dems. Cease and desist with the talk of protest non-votes and you and Double Tonic will get along just fine.

Here’s an idea: it’s ok to really, really, really (aka “hate”) a candidate for reasons other than being a googley-eyed Obama freak.

I didn’t hate George Bush because I thought John Kerry was the best thing since sliced bread.

Re: 58. strangeHeather

Aw, she was just funnin’, kinda like when she chopped off that guy’s head with axe. Nothing to get worried about.

Yay Hillary corner!

Obama corner…sigh. ONLY IF I HAVE TO. (C’mon, Hill; don’t make me turn to alcoholism…)

I will vote for her IF she is the nominee.

Re: 63. whiskeydent

Or almost ran over her boyfriend with his new scooter.

/Oh yes I did!

Re: 65. Don’t Mess w/ Pink

/Hate

Re: 62. LegeBoy

F*ck Meet the Press. If you want to see Democrats ripping each other apart, just come to a Pink Mafia happy hour…

/speaking of

Re: 69. double tonic

Very nice. I’m thinking we need to not give the Republicans the satisfaction of watching us fight anymore.

On the other hand, Democrats used to fight like crazy and still win. Let’s win first, though.

Re: 66. Squares

Why you gotta be all down on alcoholism and shite?

Don’t Mess w/PInk–

Have I told you lately that I love you?

DT–

I keep waiting for it to stop being funny, but it actually seems to grow funnier with time.

Re: 70. Pink Lady
You know what? That image (ITPT happy hour) just gave me a lot of hope. We disagree so completely yet still remain friends. I’m thinking the party will heal just fine if everyone pulls together.

/Sees straws. Grasps.

Re: 71. The Other Guy
Worry not. She wasn’t fighting with me. She was teasing me back. I think.

Re: 70. Pink Lady

Um, yeah, and that would be when? I’m THIRSTY!

Journalists take note. This is from Mark Murray, “deputy political director” on the nbc news website. Here’s the lead:

WASHINGTON - According to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, Sen. Barack Obama’s ties to his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright, could end up hurting his chances of winning the White House.

Here’s the next paragraph:

So could his earlier comment that small-town Americans are “bitter” and cling to guns and religion.

And this is what’s buried below all that:

In the survey, 43 percent of registered voters say they have major concerns that McCain is too closely aligned with the current administration.
* 36 percent have major concerns that Clinton seems to change her position on some issues (like driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants and the North American Free Trade Agreement, which her husband signed but which she now opposes)
* 34 percent say they’re bothered by Obama’s “bitter” remarks
* 32 percent have a major problem with the Illinois senator’s past associations with Wright and the 1960s radical William Ayers
* 27 percent have serious concerns that Bill Clinton would have too much influence on U.S. policy decisions if his wife is elected

Some of you in the news biz: Please explain that lead to me.

Re: 74. PJunkie

The word “could” is key. We’re too far away from the actual election day to know for sure.

NO.

Pink Lady:

I can tell you story after story of over-the-top HRC fans (as can superdelegate Donna Brazil). And, you feel, vice versa. But, is that really the point?

Maybe we’re all just a little worn out and a little afraid. I sense frayed nerves on lots of fronts and the first real hints of fear that we really might screw ourselves and end of with four more years of Bush via McCaney. For the first 100 months this was fun and I felt impassioned by all the passion - on both sides. Now, the truth is that I can barely summon the energy to be witty and snarky about it anymore. I’m tired of it all and it’s starting to show in my attitude.

Will I vote for HRC? Yes, but only as the anti-Bush vote. But heh, a vote’s a vote regardless of why right?

A quick aside. I think that when you write this kind of blog - especially throwing out controversial, albeit hysterically funny comments, you have to be prepared for it to come back at you sometimes. You gotta dish it out and you gotta take it back. Besides, this couldn’t be nearly as tough as getting up in front of a room full of TM sales people…

i am an obama supporter, but i will vote for hillary if she is the nominee

Skipping over the comments to let you know you have more people in your corner than you think. Some of us love reading the posts, but won’t subject ourselves to the hateful comments.

Yes we can skip the comments!

Just glancing above is the kind of thing I don’t say about Obama - that I will hold my nose and vote for him. That he will be my anti-Bush vote.

Hell, I already voted for one and caucused for the other.

/Re: 77. yellowdoggrl

Then, you need to change your screen name. I don’t think Yellow Dog is going to be on the ballot in November, between McCain and the Dem (almost certain to be Obama, btw).

Re 20 bodhisattva

The arguement that hillary isn’t bringing in new people is starting to get really old. Have you seen the turnout numbers? Compared to previous D primary numbers? Even if every single one of hillary’s voters was a previous D voter, she would still have to have new voters supporting her as well. And we all know he has previous dems supporting him.
Voters are excited by both dems left in thus race.

/still pulling for one of the candidates that dropped out months ago

//will vote for dem nominee

Re: 76. The Other Guy

Doesn’t explain that lead given those numbers.

Well, seeing as how I vote based on good looks alone, I’m gonna have to go with Hillary. Don’t get me wrong, she’s not exactly what I would call a handsome woman, but John McCain is a couple days in the sun away from cript keeper status. Remember the old guy in Braveheart, the one who was the father of that Bruce guy? Yeah, that’s McCain in two years.

Seriously though, I think any Democrat out there who seriously thinks they might not vote for the other candidate simply because their candidate got roughed up in the primary needs to take a deep breath and step back for a second. We are all on the same team here…you know, the team that thinks people (even poor people) should be able to see doctors; that thinks 18 year old kids shouldn’t be sent to their death so that we “can come home with honor”; the team that thinks pregnancy is something more than an “inconvenience” and that a woman should be able to avoid it if she so chooses. Now I disagree with my party about a lot of things, but John McCain? Good graduation speaker? Yes. Good subject for a highschool paper on “America?” Yes. President? Good. God. No.

Re: 80. martha

Hateful? Oh my, I disagree. Perhaps I read too many other blogs and online discussion boards so I’m biased in my comparison. I think the commenters here are fairly tame and civilized. And occasionally rude, obscene, and most definitely snarky. We disagree with passion perhaps, but the internets would be a lesser place without PL to brighten things up and provide us with a place to laugh and play.

If ron paul is out, i might vote for her.

As take it from me, about your”’last 8 years…it can’t get any worse…

IT CAN ALWAYS GET WORSE

/voice of experience

//i could write a book, if i could type

I live in a divided household with myself supporting Senator Obama and my wife supporting Senator Clinton. It has only recently become difficult and finally we have agreed to disagree and not discuss/yell/threaten to kick each other out of the house over it, but there is no way that either one of us would fail to support the “winning” candidate. For my purposes alone, allowing a Republican to add another Justice Samuel Alito to the Court is more than enough reason to vote Democrat.

That said, as the race continues I am starting to become angry at Senator Clinton. In my estimation the Texas primary was great because it brought out so many new Democratic voters - both younger voters and African American voters. I am not saying that part of that was not because of Senator Clinton, but the larger part was due to Senator Obama. At my precinct the turnout was huge and I had no idea I had so many African American neighbors.

While it is hardly breaking news, it appears that the way Senator Clinton is going to have to win is by convincing the super delegates she is the better candidate come November. If Senator Clinton continues to fan the flames of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, I wonder what the backlash towards Senator Clinton will be from the pulpit of the African American church if there is a feeling that she “stole” the election? Will the 18-30 crowd show up (God I wish I was still one of them) in November to vote for Senator Clinton or will they just say in bed?

Maybe I am overplaying it, but I think it is the new voters that will carry the day in November and I believe that Senator Obama is more responsible for that than Senator Clinton. If Senator Clinton wins, but then loses in November because of this circumstance I don’t know what I would do.

I loved former President Bill Clinton, but some of the comments made by Senator Clinton just remind me of the things I could not stand about President Clinton. In my estimation, part of the reason Vice President Gore lost in 2000 were the attacks the Republicans were able to make on the unseemly things that went on in the White House during the President Clinton years. Those same things will be rehashed against Senator Clinton if she wins and I hope it doesn’t cost the Democrats another election.

I’ll vote for Senator Clinton, but I am really worried.

Re: 81. PJunkie

I agree. The media fascination with the Wright episode has been totally disproportionate with what Americans really care about. And they are way too kind to McCain. Finally, this morning, MSNBC talking heads were bringing up the poison pill of McBush.

I would vote for her out of a sense of civic duty (like I did for Kerry), but I can’t summon enthusiasm.

Her comments on rolling back the gas tax are the worst sort of pandering and bug the hell out of me. It’s not the right solution, it’s not likely to happen, and if it does happen probably won’t change the price at the pump. Driving less and investing in public transportation is the only way to do this.

/I’m waiting for a trainline to bring me in from Bastrop.

Re: 86. Lovecow2000

Anyone else think HRC’s destructive pandering on rolling back the gas tax might be enough to convince Gore to endorse Obama?
Are you feelin’ me?

Yep, not a fan, but rather her than McSame.

What should have been simple posts of “Ayes”, “Nays” or “PNVs”, we get essays.

Put me down as “PNV”.

YES. Anything is better than more of the same in the White House, which is what McCain would be.

/but I won’t be happy about it.

Re: 87. The Best Ever Death Metal Band in Denton

Does a Gore endorsement really help or have my global warming naysayer friends had to great an effect on my thinking?

I think Obama can jump on this issue effectively. Lowering taxes increases demand, therefore increasing the price. It indeed is stupid pandering at best, much like the stimulus checks.

Re: 57. Lefty

Who, on this blog, has called her a “dirty bitch?” Christ. I don’t remember that and I think that everyone, including Obama supporters, would have taken issue with that.

Now, if you’re talking about OFF this blog, let’s go ahead and put out there the people who have called Obama a terrorist, a liar, an empty suit, a lightweight, a puppet for the Chicago machine, a racist, “the antichrist,” someone who thinks he’s Jesus, “boy,” the n-word, anti-American, “scary,” and “cult leader.”

How about Hillary’s own coy answer to the question, “Is Obama Muslim?”
Her answer went something like, “(Chuckle) Not as far as I know.”

You condone that behavior, guys? Really?

So, as much as I know you’d like to believe otherwise, Obama is absolutely the target of plenty of nasty from Hillary supporters. Obama supporters don’t have the corner on that.

I personally am SICK of hearing my candidate being called pro-terrorist, racist, anti-feminist, and his supporters being called automatons and “googly-eyed Obama freaks” who haven’t given any real thought to why we’re supporting him. What the hell? Why is that ok? Why aren’t ya’ll policing yourselves on that? Huh?

Hillary HERSELF makes fun of us, I’ve seen her do it, roll her eyes to the Heavens and laugh about how the rest of the public will maybe have an “epiphany” like we have. I’m sorry. That’s actually beyond bitchy. That’s disrespectful and dare I say it, ASSHOLE-ish.

But, and also, for the 100th time, in spite of all that, YES I’LL VOTE FOR HILLARY IF SHE’S THE NOMINEE. YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.

So now. What does any of that prove?

All that’s to say, I feel ya PL - because the same thing is happening on this side, too.

At the end of the day, we’re going to all vote D and win - unless people like Strange Heather pick up their marbles and go home pouting.

Sorry, Heather, but I’m with Lush - staying home is short-sighted, and it does nothing to help your party or the country.

Re: 28. Pink Lady

I didn’t say that. Nice work putting words in my mouth.

OK, p.s. One more thing -

If not for you, PL, we’d have no outlet for our frustrations about this race and we’d all end up crashing into each other on the freeway or taking each other out at the roller rink. So, thanks for the forum and hang in there. We love ya.

Re: 97. Lurkette

The roller rink?

Re: 97. trzz

So, will you or won’t you?

Re: 99. double tonic

I mean, it’s just a For Instance….

Re: 75. PJunkie

It must mean the media is all hot for Obama and giving him a free ride, isn’t that right? Jimbo? Legeboy?

Anyone? Beuller?

Oh, wait….. I GUESS NOT.

Past that, got me. No idea where they’re coming from. Just wanted to beat that dead horse one more time.

Re: 89. Lovecow2000

Yes, blatant pandering. Does she really think that will help us or does she think it will get help her? It won’t help energy-wise, but it will get votes. She is very smart.

One could argue she is inconsistent about her energy policy. To throw some gas on the fire, I will say she is actually consistent: vote for a war with Iraq that was mostly about oil, reduce taxes to create higher demand for oil, threaten to obliterate Iran. All three positions share more with the republicans than the democrats. All three were made based on how it would play in Peoria for HER benefit instead of the good of the country.

Re: 102. Credentials

It just means that at the moment that story is the flavor of the month. If you want to go back and lok at all of the media coverage of the two candidates and see who the press has been hardest on I think you’ll find that Obama has done pretty well.

As far as Hillary apparently throwing the kitchen sink at the campaign I may be blinded by my bias but I really don’t see this terrible burning of the bridges campaign going on. If you’re suggesting that a couple of critical campaign ads and a few comments adds up to it then Obama is also by no means innocent of the same tactics. There’s been “I have never taken oil company money”, theres been his repeated advertising of his tax return leading to questions about Hillary’s, there’s been the skewing of legislative voting records to make it look like he’s a legislation machine and that Hillary has never written a position paper in her life, there has been the continual playing of the race card through suggesting that your opponent and her supporters are racist.

I’m not trying to defend negative campaigning or underhand campaigning. I would rather it all went away. I’m just saying that Obama is as guilty of it as anyone else. And that is why I do not trust that he has any more intent to change the system than anyone else.

I just saw my first choice for the nomination on a Colbert Report video posted on http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/

Jetskis! I miss John. Sigh.

Re: 103. West Texas Hillbilly

It’s the worst kind of political pandering because it makes absolutely no sense policy-wise (though it may win her Indiana).

The CBO estimates that removing the tax for the summer would cost 300,000 constructions jobs (the proceeds of the gas tax go to infrastructure).

Even more, Clinton claims that she would pay for it via a Windfall Profits Tax on oil companies. This is actually a GREAT idea, but it’s been proposed in Congress with virtually no support so it’s dead on arrival. To make matters worse, HRC in the past has said that the Windfall Profits Tax should go towards investment in renewable energy…so if we use the WPT to replace gas tax revenue how are we ever going to break our dependence on foreign oil? (sorry to hijack the thread, but this type of crap should even piss Clinton supporters off).

Of course. No question about it. Although I disagree with Hillary’s campaign style and some of her policy stands, there is no doubt that she would be 10x better than McCain. That’s a pretty low bar, I know, but still.

Uh, newsflash, it’s over, HIllary’s chances of being the nominee are slim and none, and slim just left town. . . .

Re: 106. Outsider

yep… It’s been pissing me off all week, and I am glad to see others agree with me.

I heard a sound bite where Obama points out that the average consumer would only save $0.30 per day if this holiday were inacted. Gee… that will really help me pay for all the other stuff that is suddenly super expensive.

Instead lets figure out a way to create jobs and mass transit infrastructure so I can get to work without having to fill my tank.

Am I an elitist because I take the long view here instead of the short view?

Of course. It’s about the Supreme Court (and the federal judiciary in general).

Awww, I feel the love.

I support Hillary, but will vote for Barack if he’s the nominee. No TRUE Democrat would be able to vote for McCain under the current circumstances. Besides, it’s ridiculous for someone who supports a candidate in a primary to say they’ll stay home if that candidate isn’t on the ticket. Spare me the dramatics.

Hillary is my choice for the nominee but I’m voting for the Democratic nominee in November. Period. A true Democrat would never vote for McCain under the current circumstances and would certainly not threaten to “sit this one out” just because the Democratic candidate they support is not the nominee. Spare me the drama.

Okay, I might have to change my answer if she resorts to calling anyone that disagrees with her an elitist. So now every economist in the country is an elitist just because they’ve called her out on her pandering about the gas tax? That’s like saying that my doctor is elitist because he told me I was wrong to think that I could smoke light cigarettes and totally avoid lung cancer.