Don’t fret. Them boys grow up to be just like Mitt Romney.

Exactly, what about the boys? An insider’s account of the cult on Slate (and let’s hang the most objectional term possible on these folks) suggests that the older males systematically find reasons to expel boys from the religion and their families. Boys as young as 13, cast away to preserve the ability of some asshole to be a kiddy fiddler. For reasons like daring to hold hands or kiss a same age girl.

So get those kids out of there and put them in some place where they have at least a reasonable shot to grow up without being brainwashed or dumped on the side of the road with no money.

If our society is going to become so strung up on individual rights and preservation of “religious freedom” that we cannot remove a child sex slave cult from our midst then we are truly doomed.

I’ve been worked on both sides of this (as a CPS investigator and lawyer representing children and parents) and the State has to do things right. They just can’t just run and take children away from their parents because their religion is a little freaky. And please, I am not defending anyone’s right to abuse children. Its wrong and there is a special place in hell for those who do.

That being said, the state has an obligation to do everything by the book so that when its necessary to remove children, the case is bullet proof.

Scott Henson is way smarter than me on this issue. See http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2008/04/eldorado-reflections.html

God knows what is going on over there but if the State can’t prove their case because the can’t follow the law then they haven’t met that burden (which is less than in a criminal case).

I agree PL, but where do we dra the line and, more importantly, who gets to draw it? I don’t think that the position of these “civil libertarians” is inconsistant with the Supreme Court’s policy of granting exceptions to minority religions that allow them to violate laws that prohibit certain religious practices (like voddos slaughtering animals and leaving them in public places, or American Indans smoking peyote). If we really believe that the constituton prohibits democratic majorities from passing laws that inhibit or prohibit religious practices, then I don’t see a rational legal argument for why Jeff’s sect is any different. Sure, SCOTUS has some standard about “reasonableness,” but using such a standard clearly shows that SCOTUS has simply decided to remove from the policial process the decision of which practices are protected.

Situations like this and the forthcoming decision that will most likely do-in several gun control laws are perfect examples of how judicial activism, which has been good to us progressives over the years (e.g. Roe v. Wade, Lawrence v. Texas, etc.), is not necessarily a good thing and that maybe its time to admit that we don’t live in some ultra-rational society in which we don’t legislate morality. We obviously do and this is a perfect example of why. I can’t really explain why my purely subjectve, moral belief that having sex with young girls is wrong is any different from anyone else’s moral belief that it’s not; neither has a greater basis in objective justification. But I can say that a majority of people agree with me, and because of that we get to tell FLDS that their religious beliefs fall outside of our moral code and thus, so does their religion.

In short, lets start being consistant. If we don’t think the constitution should protect these people, then lets admit it probably shouldn’t protect our beliefs either and lets simply fight these things out on election day.

I don’t buy it. I don’t see any comparison between allowing child rape in the name of religion as a constitutionally protected right. Why don’t I decide that knocking people on the head and taking their money is a religious practice? Focus on the victims here. There are many.

I should have said justification for allowing child rape. Oooo this sh*it pisses me off so much I can’t write straight. Bastards.

Re: 5. The Other Guy

Fantastic post.

/Can we clone you?

look no further than Congress if you are looking for sex slave perverts.

Well, potted meat, point out the ones you’re talking about and let’s bring it to ‘em.

First they seized the toddlers from their nursing mothers, but having no children I said nothing.

Then they rounded up the Mormons and I thought, “at least there’s not that many of them”

Then they came for the homeschoolers, I said “Good for them, they vote Republican anyway”

When they came for the anti-abortion whackjobs I said “Hey, it’s just 25% of the country.”

Finally they swept up everyone outside the bar, but I am always in the bar, so I noticed nothing but Nancy Grace blathering about child rape on cable TV.

When they entered the bar, I offered them a drink, but they refused, rather rudely, as they hauled me away.

:)

Seriously PL, the worst part about this mess is that if there really was child abuse or “sexual slavery” going on, the state has turned it into such a fiasco it will only blow up on them.

E.g., one husband and wife with three kids seized is monogamous and 27 and 25 years old, respectively. A pair married 17 year olds were separated from their infant. A Canadian visiting her grandmother was even picked up.

Seizing those kids along with everyone else’s muddies the waters so much, IMO it will do more harm than good, another example where the road to hell is paved with good intentions. best,

Re: 3. Dukakis_in_a_Tank

I’m not a psychologist but I’m pretty sure there are medical and psychological reasons why prohibiting older men from having sex with underage girls is not just a moral or subjective issue. On top of that the brainwashing of these kids so that they are too scared to leave the compound and cult is certainly something that I thing we can objectively agree is way outside the bounds of religious freedom.

Great post, thank heavens there are still some things we can all agree on.

Note: This is not my post, it’s OG’s. But I basically agree with him. A good parallel - Christian Scientists. Should parents who don’t believe in modern medicine stand by and let their kids die?

Religion, morals, community values, role of government… way too complex for me. Anyway, I wonder how Hillary feels about this…

Re: 4. The Other Guy

I don’t either. All I’m saying is that under the rationale used to justify allowing people to violate health codes and drug laws in the name of religious freedom, there’s no less of justification for allowing people to violate the penal code in the name of that same freedom. Your slippery slope argument is exaclty correct; at what point do we decide that a certain conduct, no matter how important to a particular religion, is prohibited? And I think the answer to that question is that we don’t draw a clear line; we make a subjective moral decision in each case. I think a democratically elected Congress (despite the prevelance of perverts within) or state legislature is much better at communicating the moral will of the country than nine unelected lawyers. And I don’t think that that institutional advantage is limited to this area. In short, we shouldn’t curse “civil libertarians” for this, only to embrace them when they convince the supreme court to thwart the majority to protect activities we find important (e.g. women’s choice, free speech issues, right to contraception, etc.).

Also, sorry for referring to PL in my previous comment; I was referring to the author of the post and didn’t know it was you.

Re: 9. The Other Guy

I don’t want to aler the seriousness nor the focus of your commentary.

But it has been a less than wll kept secret that several foreign countries which are ‘important’ to ‘trade’ or ’strategic positioning’, or ‘natural reserves’, arevery involved imn massive sex trade, much of it involving children.

And with the turned eye of amny branches and agencies of our government.

So again, I would rather save it for another place another time.

You raise too important an issue to get all tangented, and I am in short supply time wise to get in to specifics.

/All this not withstanding the ‘intern’ scandal, and the ignoring of it by parties whom have been named in the last year.

darn my bad typing and inability to edit.

/darn

10: Grits…….

this was a show, ala Waco. thank God, no one died.

Excellent points and we should get to them in the future. Thank you.

Re: 10. Gritsforbreakfast

Wow, your story totally misses the point. This is not about declining rights for the rest of us, this is about protecting people from sex slavery. Try to look at this from a different perspective than from the inside of a con law text book. We write the laws, they don’t write us.

Sex slavery. Against it. Definitely against it. Definitely. 10-4 good neighbor.

Did the state screw it up? I dunno. No TV so I’m all unfair and unbalanced. Let’s say the State of Texas went off half cocked and screwed up the legal-schmegal mumbo jumbo.

Our system is pretty good for sorting things out after the fact, unless of course the AG is Fredo. But, and here’s the beauty of it, they totally gave those pervs a really bad day and they gave those girls a view of the outside world. The good guys won already.

In the long view, they got Jeffs. These girls will grow up and a few will wise up and speak out. Look, the Catholic church is no different. Adults doing mindfucks on kids in order to rape them. The bishops knew. The popes knew. The authorities knew. Who kicked their asses? The victims. So a few dioceses go bankrupt. Not enough. When the Vatican has a yard sale to cover their moral bankruptcy debts, justice will be within reach.

There’s no magic wand to cure this ill. Take an interest in a kid that needs a little help. Send in Walker Texas Ranger now and then. More than anything, the best solution is this: It takes a village.

Good post TOG.

you strike on the end justifies the means, which, in a minor stretch, gets us to a pre-emptive war being ok, etc….

i have a problem with that.

Cops have rules too.

this was cops on film. Don’t kid yourself as to the motive.

Re: 19. potted meat

I don’t know about all them philosophical things. I’m just pleased I could write a sentence starting with “But, and.” Put that in your web editor pipe and smoke it.

Re: 20. West Texas Hillbilly

I ‘m happy for you!

/we all need goals.

Re: 21. potted meat

From where I sit, it sounds like you care more about a grudge against the authorities than you do the safety of the girls being raped. Explain how I’m wrong.

?

I don’ have any grudge.

no explanation needed.

I take rape very seriously.

This iis not an ‘a’ or ‘b’ set of issues…….

Re: 22. The Other Guy

I agree. It was time to get in there and figure out what the fuck was going on.

This really ain’t all that hard to figure out. At this juncture, the authorities are trying to figure out who abused the children, who enabled the abuse, and who’s innocent. Under the circumstances, temporarily separating the kids from their parents is preferrable to potentially leaving the kids in the hands of their tormenters.

If the parents didn’t abuse their kids, they’ll get them back and move on — hopefully to an environment that doesn’t involve a pedophilia cult masquerading as a religion. However, if they did abuse their kids or enabled abuse, the parents should go to prison for a long,long time while we hope like hell the kids go somewhere safe.

And note I said parents; I think the mothers bear almost as much responsibility as the fathers in this deal. It all makes me sick to my stomach.

Re: 19. potted meat

Don’t kid ourselves as to the motive? So, you’re saying the motive WASN’T getitng the kids out of a potentially harmful situaiton?

What was it, then? The PR? The state CPS didnt already have a bad enough rap? Enlighten me.

Re: 25. whiskeydent

Perhaps a good consequence will be that those mothers who wanted out will now have the opportunity to get out. Save the child, save themselves.

Re: 26. Lurkette

No I never said that.

The method did not have to be ‘call the camera crews, lt’s get a thousand cop cars’…..

You are putting works in my mouth ,and insinuating intentions in my reasoning.

I just feel like a allegedly terrile situation was handled in a potentially dangerous fashion,

Don’t think I am defending the perverts.

This was done the way it was for show. Don’t kid yourself.

Re: 28. potted meat

I think it was done to get the kids out. I’m not kidding myself.

As an alum of Angelo State University and a former resident of San Angelo, TX, I’d like to point out that the YFZ Ranch is in Eldorado, TX, a good 25 miles south of San Angelo. The children were evacuated TO San Angelo, which is why all of the datelines are now attributed to San Angelo.

Just representin’.

-Put

Re: 30. Put

Angelo State: Harvard On The Concho!

I thought SCOTUS decided you CAN’T get away with smoking peyote in the name of religious freedom.

/what a missed opportunity

My sincerest apologies to the good people of San Angelo.

Re: 29. The Other Guy

Again , I’m not talking about what was done…I’m talking about how it was done.
In Waco, the local sherriff said that Koresh would come in if they just called him and asked innocents, to
How many people died? What if the approach at El Dorado had ended similarly? Thank God it didn’t, but what was to keep law enforcement from having made a more low profile approach to this.
In Waco, a friend could not get a room the nite before the attack , and THE WAITRESS AT THE IHOP told him that all these feds were in town to raid a church…..Pretty darn scary when locals are aware of the ‘plan’…… and while J Reno and Clinton’s gang took the blame for the botched up mess, the overall raid plan was well underway in the Bush 41 administration.
It was to be a show of force. The sherriff could have went to the front door and DK would have come in.
I am NOT DEFENDING SLEEZO CHILD MOLESTERS , who prey on with threats of hell or whatever, if they do not succumb to their ‘elders’
Again, I am only questioning the cameras there and rolling, and the potentially dangerous situation which could have escalated with this approach.
I have family in law enforcement, and one of my best friends is a cop, and they also questioned the manner this was done.

Re: 29. The Other Guy
again….I don’t hink you are kidding yourself about what was done.

ease up.

Re: 19. potted meat

If there was child abuse already taking place then arguably this really wasn’t a case of taking pre-emptive action. Admittedly it now seems tha the call may have been a hoax but nonetheless this was not a case of taking action before something happened.

Having said that I firmly believe that the concept of pre-emptive war is more complicated than suggested by our most recent military foray. On Anzac day this question is especially relevant. I think it is possible that there are cases where a reduction in loss of life from using pre-emptive action can be balanced against maintaining the moral high ground.

Re: 36. Jimbo

don’t read it selectively….
my point was ….’the end justifies the means’,

and I even said ‘’in a minor stretch’….before making any comparison.

I did not say that this was a preemptive strike.

Re: 30. Put
Just to be representing more accurately:
Eldorado is 44 miles from SA…a nice drive btw…Christoval is kinda nifty…and the South Concho runs clear there (and runs north…quite unusual for Tx). Heck I was happy that they pronounced it right on NPR.

Go Rams! ASU alum crop up in strange places.

/Class of ‘78
//Sorry for another WTX hijack, PL

Re: 33. The Other Guy

Who said anything about the people?

/Is he kidding?

//IS HE?!

-Put

Re: 39. Put

Hey now. I’ve got cousins in San Angelo. We used to have our family reunion out at OC Fisher every other year. Make of that what you will.

Re: 38. treehugger

While we’re on the topic, the Branch Davidian property was in Elk, Texas; not Waco. Waco is about 17 miles away.

Re: 37. potted meat

hey pm, i understand where you are coming from. our gov must strive to do the right thing WITH the right process. if the process was wrong, it hurts their case. maybe they got carried away. a hot subject like this requires superhuman restraint from law enforcement folks. i believe they were acting in good faith. i know you’re on the right side of the “ends” and are hoping for the right “means.”

/i just ordered some custom french doors from City Lumber in SA. have not traded with them before. looks like a nice business and good people.

Re: 42. West Texas Hillbilly

absolutely.

and in other news:

Home > The Blotter > Archives > 2008 > April > 25 > Entry

Barsana Dham founder arrested on 20 counts of indecency with a child
By Patrick George | Friday, April 25, 2008, 12:01 PM

Prakashanand Saraswati, the founder of the Barsana Dham Hindu temple in Hays County, has been arrested in Washington, D.C., and charged with 20 counts of indecency with children.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2008/04/25/barsana_dham_founder_arrested_1.html

This is about 10 minutes from where i live.

apparantly child peversion is multidenominational.

Re: 43. potted meat

this is the Temple on Camp Ben McC road on the way to the Salk Lick, for all you ‘that sounds familiar’ Cental Texans.

Dam.
i’m locking my doors.

I say we form a posse, get on our horses, grab the shotguns, fire up the torches, and round all these bastards up.

We won’t lynch ‘em, like in the old days, we’ll keep ‘em separated from minors until we investigate the situations and keep the kids out of their reach in the meantime.

Re: 41. Scooby Dooby Doo

I spent some quality time at Tradinghouse Steam Electric Station just east of the BDs. Yep, not Waco.

Re: 45. The Other Guy

Count me in.

Re: 32. Scotch

It did. My post was unclear. I meant to reference the two decisions–Oregon v. Smith (peyote) and Bablu Aye v. Hialea (voodoo)–to demonstrate that SCOTUS’s decision making prcess is just as arbitrary and subjective as the political process and that, therefore, we shouldn’t look to them to tell us whether we can outlaw something, as the civil libertarians propose that we do.

Basically, replace the word or, with the words “but not”

he following was a comment in the Austin American Statesman………

I am only presenting this, i am not endorsing or condoning the following, but it represents another POV, and i find it interesting…..
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By Bob

April 25, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this

Nazi Storm Troopers in Texas have seized members of a religious group in an attempt to wipe the group out in a similar fashion that Hitler seized Jews. It was done on the basis of a “fake” phone call, and without any legal basis, or regard for the Civil Rights of the children, or their mothers. A 13 week old child was torn from the mothers arm and transported to a prison run by the Child Protective Services Storm Troopers. Many other young children were treated in a similar fashion by the Storm Troopers, and imprisoned without any charges being laid. That’s justice Texas style, as the children are still being held prisoner in unknown locations. Brother and sister are not allowed to communicate with each other, or their mothers in an attempt to persecute this religious group. America is the land of the free - unless the Nazi Storm Troopers in Texas don’t like you.

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Please do not direct your comments to me expecting any argument or agreement.

The methodology of the ‘law enforcement’ has raised more red flags than even i recognized, form some people whom have far more severe opinions.

Yeah, potted meat, I see the point you’re raising but I think there is a lot of exaggeration involved. I’m intimately familiar with the case of a woman whose children were removed from her because of activities by a step dad. She still doesn’t want to see what was really happening and it’s very sad. Her attorney used very similar arguments in court to no avail. The women in the compound are sick if they allow child rape.

If we suspect child rape, we have a moral obligation to look into it even without hard evidence. The same applies to domestic abuse of women. How else are we going to get at this very dark, often hidden, and very sick component in our society?

Re: 50. The Other Guy

I don’t disagree at all, and there must be some compelling ‘fault’ in the thinking of grown people whom would let other grown people take advantage of children, in this case sexually.

The missing ingredient in this seems (to me) to be some esteem /value that is not present or wanting in these women/men whom participate in child abuse.

But it is a slippery slope, and i know I don’t need to preach to the choir: you are well aware of which I speak, based upon your prior comments, and we cannot ‘assume’ deviation based upon non traditional habits.

Look, we have a country full of stockholders and consumers whom look away from jocks getting several dollars per pair of shoes, while children work for pennies an hour building same…..and ‘revere’ athletes whom make millions, while knowing that children are being ’swooshed’ to a poor life.

I really didn’t want to take all this away from your original post, because you make important points, and surely there must be some LEGAL way to keep this abuse of children in our own backyard from being ignored.

One of the problems is that, while it is easy to point fingers at ‘different’ (the El Doradians), the Barsanna Dahm deal is just ole Hindus, not real weird there, and I am a Catholic, and while the continued contempt
(which I share) for the Church is really directed at events of some time ago( there were only 5 reports last year, with over 40,000 priests) that is 5 too many….and most catholics are considered ‘normal…so it is a universal problem.

The uniqueness of these ‘people’ in El Dorado is the supposed ‘grooming’ of young brides…….

What can a pre-test be? Most ‘police action’ is reactive, and all the constitutional considerations must be respected.

We cannot even create proactive medicine in this country, we have such chicken shit leaders.

You raise some interesting questions, and every day that they go unanswered is one day too many.

Re: 51. potted meat

Thank you. One idea I’ve been told about is to have more proactive mental health benefits for young people, in schools for example. Trained counselors can spot problems fairly effectively. This gets us back into the interference realm, as some people see it, with family privacy. I guess I’ve decided that it’s worth it, the interference, to find even one case of abuse.

On the case with the YFZ folks, I think there are times when we can collectively ascertain a problem. I’ve been frustrated with how hard we make it on ourselves to catch perps. It begins with the challenge of the right of the accused to face their accuser (a good idea, but problematic children who are rape victims, battered wives, etc.) and other very appropriate protections.

Mass communications are really a big part of the change taking place. What used to happen in secrecy, the families didn’t want to talk about it, now is broadcast to the world. I’m not so sure that’s a bad thing. I know, if I’m the one with my mug on CNN for a week and I didn’t do it, I’d feel pretty abused. So I, like many of us, struggle to find that appropriate way to proceed.

Thanks for your enlightened comments.

Re: 52. The Other Guy

One only need see Monster’s Ball with BBThornton to recognize the horrible pattern of abuser’s leading the lives they were lead.

The thought of trained counselors recognizing ’signs’ is certainly acceptable, and damn, I’ve always thought that parents should be given a course: damn…you have to pass a driving test.

I think wwe a re in a bit of Obama-land here….if we don’t start openly discussing all the variables and the persceptions, attitudes, and interactions, then, in 4 years
(his analogy) we will still be right here, no change.

And 4 years is a lot of lives ruined.

Thanks back at ya.

Yah, the Constitution is “problematic” to say the least when it’s time to “get a rope.”

Re: 53. potted meat

Please!!!! Mandatory parenting classes BEFORE you have children. Please!!!!! I’ll support it!!!!

I’m really just worried about how these kids are going to be affected by being removed. Like, are they able to keep contact with their mothers? I’m not sure, but I don’t believe the entire camp was abusing all the children. I’ve worked in the foster care system and it’s not a good one. I hope the kids’ situations get resolved. ASAP. The court should not be cancelling hearings like the one that was scheduled for Tuesday.

Glad to see there’s a group who don’t like child molesters. Some people on other blogs are defending the swami — but there’s lots of indication he’s not only done it to the two girls reporting but to hundreds of others — most women and very willing for his “divine touch.” It’s sick, but legal. However he probably thinks he’s God and can touch any female he desires — even younguns.

They got tall gates on that Barsana Dham — no doubt giving him lots of “protection” to do whatever the hell he wants — and 60 or so residents who look the other way. Too bad we can’t do it like they did in the old days — hang ‘em high!

Re: 48. Dukakis_in_a_Tank

Regarding Hialea and Smith. Ah, but you are forgetting the one main rule of American Indian law: Indians ALWAYS lose. History, precedent, treaty, law, and the Constitution be damned, US Courts, particularly the Supreme Court, will always and without fail find a way to screw Indians. In that respect, they are completely consistent.
As for the YFZ Ranch, my only question to the folks who are essentially arguing “I heard on the teevee that they was icky so hang ‘em” is this: would you be comfortable with these standards and tactics being used on your family and your children?

Re: 57. Local Crank

Absolutely, they can come and talk to everyone in my family right this very minute. Yep. Full disclosure. That’s the biggest line of BS yet. If you’ve got nothing to hide, you’ve got nothing to hide.

Re: 57. Local Crank

This afternoon’s AP: SAN ANTONIO — More than half the teen girls taken from a polygamist compound in west Texas either are pregnant or have children, state officials said Monday.

A total of 53 girls between the ages of 14 and 17 are in state custody after a raid 3 1/2 weeks ago at the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado. Of those girls, 31 have children or are pregnant, said Child Protective Services spokesman Darrell Azar.

/Sick

And that, as they say, is that.

A child-rape ring operating as a religious sect.

Re: 57. Local Crank

Well let’s see, would I be happy if the Texas Rangers came into my house guns drawn and took my family? No. But then again, I don’t rape children. That has to mean something right? It’s not like this was just some regular fundamentalist sect (oxymoron?) walking down the street that was suddenly stopped for no reason, strip searched, and then split up. They. Were. Raping. Children. There are still some things for which you don’t get he benefit of the doubt; statutory rape and owning Michael Bolton CDs, just to name a couple

Re: 61. Dukakis_in_a_Tank

The other day I found a website named Grits for Breakfast. There is a whole string of comments by folks like Local Crank, yes he/sh/it is one of them, who are coming up with every excuse for justifying the child rape taking place at the compound. Sick is sick. Child rape is sick and is a crime even before a law is written to confirm it. These child rapist sympathistizers need a good ass whoopin’. If one of ‘em gets around my daughter, I’ll gladly oblige them.

Well, I botched the spelling of sympathizers…only ‘cuz they make me so mad I can’t see straight to spell right.

To “The Other Guy” — I wish you had seen the Barsana Dham gurus at work — maybe if someone with a functioning brain had witnessed them doing their thing they wouldn’t have run rampant inside the well protected compound on 1826. It seems that people lose their minds around them (and all fake spiritual leaders) — letting these “god-men” put their hands and other body parts all over their daughters and wives. When they get caught they come up with the most outlandish lies. I’m sick of this sickness in our society. Where are people’s morals?

Re: 64. Law of the Land

Totally agree. Every one of us has an obligation to stick our noses into this kind of sickness. When we “knowingly” tolerate it, then we are a part of it. That’s why I get so upset with the Grits for Breakfast types who are so caught up pointing out the imperfections of CPS when the real story is the abuse.

re: 65. The Other Guy

AMEN brother!!!

This case results from actual or potential “Child Abuse” and although your Mystic beliefs lead you to conclude “it’s sexual”, the fact is it is many areas, “the worst being inflicting these your children with “Absurd Belief’s that create Atrocities for them and all humanity” throughout their lifetimes. You Sir because of lack of education use little knowledge of your belief in fact because you haven’t really read your “fictional Bibles” for if you had “you would rebuke your God or God as really be Satan in fact. You and other like you are raping your children daily through your ignorance of the facts of life. Read Hawkins, Dennet, Harris or Paine, Ingersol etc. then get back to me with some real knowledge of where you come from and who created you, or simply go back to school and learn about “Evolution” by Darwin and stop undermining his knowledge with your here-say.
You are your own God, “there is no need to pray to some mystic being, “as your prayer’s are never, ever heard”, you Sir depend on you, your wife, family and Friends.
When your in trouble or when you are successful..it’s always Friends and family that counts.
Yes, when one visualize this World, “we need a God” and “Voltaire was right, “if you didn’t imagine him, we would have to invent him” and that’s precisely whats happened to date some 300 Million years after Humanoids.
I ask you not to “rape your children’s mind’s” with your uneducated b.s.. And even though I don’t agree with “physical sexual exploitation” be that minor or major, I abhor your authority to be the end when you yourself are raping your children, your wife and friends with your “Absurd” belief’s!

If you doubt you think “your a problem with your lack of education in this matter, wait until it get before your biased Religious Courts” and see what the World believes.

It’s time for you to become “educated”!
There was never and never will be any “God’s” to help anyone.

My friend, “then” it’s up to you and me to sustain each and every other as best we can with all the resources we have.
Mother Nature will look after our efforts “good or Bad”.
Get an Education in “Fact” , not “Fiction” that you obvious have……………..

Love ya…