PL,

Way to go.

LD

I’m hoping for a joint ticket, too, if only for the sight of Dick Cheney handing over the keys to the vice presidential compound on Mass. Ave. to Bill Clinton. I think that would make my life complete.

“And, speaking of key states, no one has ever won the White House without winning the Ohio primary. That’s a fact, Jack.”

Isn’t that because the damn primary in Ohio is usually so late that the nomination has been sewed up? That’s like saying, “no one has ever won the White House without giving an acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention.”

Re: 3. Perry’s Mollycoddler

don’t piss on PL’s moment.

Re: 4. the real wallflower

Nobody wants to piss on PL’s moment, but the truth is about half of us are a little melancholy today. When PL isn’t dancing in the streets today, she understands where some of us are coming from I’m sure.

Now that I’ve recovered from my opium hangover, I’d like to take a moment to retract my comment from last night, and my post last week, and every conversation I’ve had about the presidential primary in the last year, about BHO supporters being sheep. You’re obviously not sheep… Your’s just losers.

KIDDING!!!!!! Jeezah Mo! Take a chill pill.

I know you’re all going to roll your eyes at me, but here is yet another reason you should be backing HRC: now that she’s regained the momentum, and we’re all happy, shiny people in HRC land, she would totally make BHO her Veep.

I will be the first to admit that if she loses (sha, right), she stands coke whore’s chance in a custody battle of mounting another viable presidential campaign. But if we get her in the with BHO as Veep, that means we could have 8 years of HRC and then 8 years of BHO… ~and somewhere, in a dark, dark corner, Karl Rove wept.

Washington didn’t win in Ohio…

Re: 6. LegeBoy

The mental image of Karl Rove weeping in a dark, dark corner is equal parts enjoyable and creepy as f*uck. Not to mention inconceivable. Because we all know KR is incapable of producing actual tears. So it would be that horrifying body-wracking, dry-sobbing shite. Eww. Shudder.

When will she release her tax returns?

How did she and Bill go from debtors to multi-multi-multi-millionaires in these few years?

Re: 9. Longtime Lurker

Don’t know LL…you tell us.

Reality Check. Little number monkey that I am, I ran the margins of the averages of delegate projections from those 5 sites I love so much (and spend way too much time on: CNN, RCP, WP, Greenpapers, WSJ, MSNBC). Before we’re even finished awarding delegates for the TX caucus, Hill only managed a gain of 19 in pledged delegates. After TX is in the can, you can safely bet that O’s margin will be back to where it was before yesterday’s Mardi Gras Hill-arity, hovering somewhere north of 140. Next Tuesday’s MS primary should put O up again by about 150 in pledged.

I must admit to some miscalculation in my two long blogs a week or two ago. I’ll explain later. This is too long already.

Re: 11. PJunkie

It’s never just about the numbers.

I can say that. I was an English major. I have a bigger picture of the world.

Did any of you guys even notice Rush getting the troglodytes out to cross over and vote for Hillary? Why do you think he might want to do that?

Re: 12. Pink Lady

I hate you all the way from here.

Re: 13. M1EK

Job security. Being a sexist douche bag is perfectly acceptable. Being a racist douche bag? Not so much.

Re: 9. Longtime Lurker

I think when you make 200+K a year for 8 straight years, without having to pay rent or a mortgage, coupled with a best selling memior, and speaking engagements, you could easily end up in the black. I would have blown it all on scratch offs, and lonestar, but hey…

Re: 13. M1EK

This is being misreported everywhere. Republicans that crossed over actually did it to vote for Obama. Which you should see as a good thing.

Re: 12. Pink Lady

But it IS about the numbers. HRC’s only hope is that Barack Obama screws up so royally between now and the convention that the Superdelegates break for her (which is possible).

HRC can prolong this thing for as long as she wants. She’s earned the right to take this to the convention. But can she actually be the nominee if the pledged delegate numbers don’t tighten significantly? What is the impact in November if the Dems beat each other up for five more months?

Hillary offering Obama the VP slot is the most audacious thing since Iceman offered Maverick the role of Wing Man.

Re: 13. M1EK

Because if ANYTHING can get the right out this election cycle, it is a Clinton on the ballot. She is to the right what Bush is to the left…the worst thing ever. She will motivate the right to come out and vote like Obama never could, many on the right actually think he is ok.

And Rove isn’t crying, he is laughing. This is exactly what they want.

Re: 16. Had a Dream

Great. But $200K a year for not-quite-8-years doesn’t even pay off the impeachment legal bills, much less create enough of a cushion to give one’s campaign $5 million.

Why won’t she release the tax returns?

Re: 16. Had a Dream

Or in Jessica Farrar’s case, scarves.

Re: 20. bracesandaces

By the way, another proud moment, Jessica Farrar won 73-27. Woo Hoo!!!!

PL, are you gonna ask for more scarves?

Re: 8. lush

I think he cries acid rain and pregnant-mother-poisoning mercury, no?

How much were the impeachment bills? I forget. Could have been pro bono. Come on, advertising you got Billy Boy off the blue dress charge, you could charge crazy a#s rates.

Seriously though 200K for 8 years, over 191K in Bills’s pension the last 8 years, book royalties pay good money. And people do tend to invest money when they have it ( at least people who have hundreds of thousands of dollars). Its feasible that they had a spare 5 mill sitting around the house.

Why won’t they relase the tax forms? Simple. They don’t have to.

Re: 12 Pink Lady

It’s not? We sure are wasting a hell of a lot of time, money and effort on all these goddamned primaries and caucuses then. English major, eh? That would explain the English on your verbal volley, I suppose.

On reflection, I guess it’s not ALL about numbers. For you, after last night, there is also still–don’t you just love the irony–hope.

Re: 25. Had a Dream

Bob Bennett doesn’t work pro bono. Here’s CNN from February 1998, citing a $4 million Clinton debt at the time:

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/18/defense.fund/

Eventually those debts surpassed $5M. But in fairness to the Clintons, they had to spend the money — they were also fighting off additional suits about Whitewater, illegal fundraising, and sexual harassment (Paula, not Monica) at the time.

A joint ticket. Hmm.

I am Sittin pretty today! Go Hillary!

Numbers? Neither of them can get the required number of pledged delegates. The most likely result: He finishes this with more pledged delegates and states and she finishes with more popular vote and Democratic/swing states.

Least divisive resolution–Clinton/Obama ‘08

Re: 19. CNR

Bullshit. You can be mine.

HRC, HRC, HRC THE NOMINEEE!!!!

Oh, I partied WAY too hard last night. *pained*

NPR reported that more republicans went out and voted for Obama than Hillary on Tuesday so the whole Rush Limbaugh thing is a nonsense.

They also reported that 25% of Hillary’s primary supporters would jump ship and vote McCain if Obama is the nominee. The idea that BO is this great uniter who noone can dislike is a fallacy. By the time the republicans have finished with him if he is the nominee you can bet they will have a wide swathe of americans loathing him. Remember these are the people who made a decorated war hero look like a traitor and a Nobel prize winner look like a dunce. They’re not going to play nice because he’s pretty.

Re: 30. LegeBoy

always thought it was “bull*snot*”

/only ever seen the edited-for-tv version

Re: 31. Jimbo

and nonsense or not, I know someone who actually cops to pissing on us from inside the tent, saying he/she “can’t wait to see the party eat itself from the inside.”

Re: 27. Longtime Lurker

You may be forgetting the $8 million advance Sen. Clinton was paid for Living History and the $10 million advance Pres. Clinton received for My Life, not to mention royalties from both.

Re: 34. Orphan Babies R Yummy

Your argument seems to be that the Clintons’ meteoric rise in wealth is easily explained by above-board dealings. If you are correct, then what is she hiding?

We’ve all heard about the recent sweetheart pipeline deal of Bill’s. He also somehow made $700K (for his foundation) on gifted stock options that were identical to options that Garry Kasparov found to be worthless:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-clinton-financesmar04,0,5935166.story

In her first Senate race, Hillary savaged Rick Lazio for … not releasing his tax returns. (And she was right.) So what is she hiding?

Re: 31. Jimbo

That’s not including the Obama supporters that would vote McCain if HRC was the nominee. I personally know more of those than the reverse. Its because I’m male, middle-aged, white…..and married.

I still think, even after the inevitable R political sniping and character assassination, that BHO wins the general 55-45 while a HRC-McC is a toss-up. The number 1 concern of voters is the economy, so already the diversion away from the FU*CKING IRAQ WAR is working.

Damn. Stepped up on the soapbox…and I wasn’t even planning on getting any exercise today, saving my strength for 12 ounce curls later on.

Re: 36. treehugger

and don’t forget the youth vote that will completely disengage if it becomes “politics as usual.”

through bho the party has a chance to grab a generation (a la kennedy ‘60/reagan ‘80), and establish strong party i.d. with them for the next 20 years (at least).

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/10/14/weekinreview/15kirk_graphic.ready.html

I call on all of you to release your tax returns.

Re: 38. a little texas zenshine

Nice graph. Woohoo, I’m a proud D from the ‘56′ers, the second highest peak. Funny, all I remember about Kennedy was his assassination when I was 7 and LBJ I thought was cool because he was a Texan. My how perceptions change.

Re: 38. a little texas zenshine

I think there might be a generation of young women who would find it possible to identify with and relate to the first female candidate, but what do I know?

/Lush Jr. likes Obama better
//But she’s definitely more inspired by Hillary.

Re: 39. Pink Lady

If I do that I’ll have to send in the $500 I owe this year. They’ll get it on April 15 and no sooner.

Re: 41. lush

It’s not a pro-obama specific argument, but more in agreement with anon airforce. the party had better figure out a way to engage the kids who *are* drawn to him or they risk losing a decade’s momentum.
/I’m just sayin’

pl—I’ll see your tax return and raise you one pregnant powerwashing nanny

Re: treehugger
Right there with ya’ buddy.

Re: 41. lush
I found it remarkable that every single young person (25 or so and younger) at my caucus was an Obama supporter. It seems clear that he is the reason for the high youth turnout, and I agree they’ll be disaffected if he loses. Not that that should sway anyone, but …

I don’t think he’s going to lose.

Yeah, I ended up voting for Obama. Although I was leaning his way about the last two weeks, the negative campaign run by the Clinton camp the last week (not to mention all those annoying Clinton-planted posts) pushed me farther over. I just don’t think you should tear down a fellow D as viciously as she has, thereby setting the stage for a rending of the party and giving the R’s ammo, aid, and comfort in the fall. (”His/her own fellow D’s don’t think he/she is fit to be Pres…etc.) In fact, I think it sucks.

Also, I don’t really buy Clinton’s “experience” argument. I think she has plenty of valuable experience, but not significally more than Obama where it matters. As First Lady, she had virtually nothing to do with world affairs or national security — didn’t, I believe, even have security clearance. Obama has experience enough on the legislative end, and he has not been living in a box for the last 20 years. He is a constitutional scholar and a quick study, and has been in the Senate long enough to be familar and comfortable with the major foreign policy issues facing our country. In fact, because of his background, he probably has even more motivation than most to be particularly informed about the crises in Africa. And in my estimation, he will do very well on the world stage

The bottom line for me though, since their policies were basically a wash, was my gut instinct about who has the best chance in November. And I do not believe that is Hillary. We can all argue about that, but starting out with 48-49% of the country disapproving of you would be extremely difficult to overcome. Probably impossible. And as for Obama? He has an incredible organization that trumps the old, moribund D party (yes, the very party in Texas responsible for running those caucuses — had that been Obama-organized, I bet we would have seen something different). I believe he can pull this off with that organization, his charisma, and his intellect. I believe he will kill McCain in the debates.

There is one good thing about Cinton’s negative campaining, though. It will end up helping to prepare Obama for the general election fisticuffs. (I still don’t think you should engage that way in an intraparty race. Karl and Rush are having great, great fun. I don’t care how you spin it, that cannot be good for us D’s.) But it was a wakeup call, and he’ll be prepared.

One final note. I am happy that until now, at least, Obama didn’t fling back the dirt, at least not in any forum I heard (and I think I heard them all). At least not the way he could have. He didn’t take the bait and the party is better off for it. I wouldn’t blame him at this point if he did, however. For example:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B00EEDE1E39F93AA25752C0A960958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

IJS.

Re: 44. Don’t Mess w/ Pink

You are dead to me.

/oh i’m kidding
//or am i

Re: 41. lush

I’d say there’s a younger generation of women are inspired by that idea, of course, but not necessarily by her. Particularly not if she doesn’t acknowledge more strongly (or at all, but I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt) how much their grandmothers sacrificed and fought for their rights, particularly to vote.

I have to say, it would be nice to hear Hillary talking about that a little more, instead of ignoring it or downplaying it for fear of alienating men or being accused of playing the gender card. Stand up for your gender, Hillary. As that goes, that’s the big reason I never did get all that turned on by the fact that she’d be the first woman president. What is she representing, besides the gender and asking us once or twice to bring change by electing her the first woman president? That makes it about her. A little acknowledgement of the rest of us would have gone a long way with me. I’d love to hear her dedicate a speech just to us – the women of this country, Democrats and Republicans – giving props to the steps our grandmothers and great grandmothers took to get her here and promising to fight for us in DC.

If I missed something, fine. But I’ve never gotten an overwhelming feeling from her that she’s particularly proud to be a woman, just that she’d be proud to be the first woman nominee. I would have appreciated it if she’d championed us publicly a little more and not left that up to her big-name surrogates.

Who, by the way, haven’t done a very good job of it either, except for saying that the rest of us are betraying our gender if we don’t vote for her.

Just a theory.

Re: 44. Don’t Mess w/ Pink/32. Jimbo

… besides all that logical lawyer-thought, any dem stupid enough to cross lines for mccain deserves him and the thousand year multinational war he’ll bring. polls show americans assume he’s a pro-choice socially liberal maverick.

/seriously. check his record, people.

http://www.votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=53270

Re: 45. Pink Lady

Yeah, I was afraid of that. I didn’t disclose it here yesterday, because I didn’t want to rain on your parade. And I didn’t say Congrats, either, because it seemed insincere unless I had said where I stood. But now that I’ve outed myself as an Obamanista or whatever we’re being called, I can say, with all sincerity “Congratulations.” She did do a terrific job.

/So, how many cases of wine to make it up to you? You go through, what, 2 cases a day?

/she calls them 12packs

Actually, many candidates have won the White House without winning Ohio.

Here’s the Wash. Post fact check on it:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/03/clinton_stumbles_on_ohio_histo.html#more

Looks like Hillary didn’t have her facts straight or just made that one up.

Re: 50. Plant on the Balcony

Actually, that was all over the media as well. But we all know they can’t keep their facts straight.

And I always thought Judson Harmon was robbed back in 1912.