Jan 8
Oh me of little faith…
The AP just called it. Hillary wins New Hampshire. Is anyone else hobbling around on their husband’s crutches in a drunken haze? (It’s because I’m a woman.) Did you hear that girls? WE WON. And, yes, the majority of women voted for Hillary.
The campaign is far from over. Hillary won by a slim margin. But if she had lost, she may not have survived. Now we have a real fight on our hands. For crying out loud, she did it. SHE DID IT.
(9:52PM. Obama is giving a fantastic speech, as usual. He started out by congratulating Hillary and asking the crowd to give her a round of applause. Classy. He’s a great speaker. I just don’t know if he’s a great leader.)
Truth be told, earlier tonight I was a wreck. Convinced that Hillary would come in second — perhaps a distant second if I listened to so-called experts — I started drinking early. Smooch, Wallflower and Tickled Pink came over (YES THEY’RE REAL PEOPLE) and suggested I take some Valium. Instead, I bounced off the walls and ate 500 chocolate chip cookies.
My Auntie Cathy called me from Virginia because she was as nervous as me. (And, if you must know, I get my knees from her. Except hers are slightly smaller.) So, yes, an unnatural obsession with politics runs in the family. It’s because we’re Irish.
Hillary held a consistent lead THE ENTIRE NIGHT but CNN refused to call it. Even after the AP and the rest of the major networks (including ITPT) projected Hillary as the winner. Oh, might it be because CNN was SO COMPLETELY WRONG about the outcome? Or, is Wolf Blitzer just a sexist?
I apologize for the all caps. That is completely unnecessary. Tom Brokaw is now chiding Chris Matthews (/hate) for the media jumping to conclusions and making false predictions. He says we should let the voters decide. (Mr. PL, meanwhile, suspects voter fraud on the part of the HRC campaign.)
Hillary gave a good victory speech. Not a great speech, but a good speech. People say she’s a fake, she’s divisive, she’s polarizing, she’s corrupt, she’s too… I don’t know… CLINTON. But tonight, she’s a winner. Which means I can finally get a good night’s sleep. Without mixing codeine and shiraz.
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I heard it. After listening to Hil and Bill the last few days, I will tell you something. If she’s the nominee, this libertarian homo will not vote for her. I don’t care if she’s up against Huckabee. Nope.
congratulations, PL. it is heartwarming to see your enthusiasm.
Tell me what the entire ticket should look like - who the VP should be…
Wow.
And PL posted that with nary a typo, despite the Cabernet! Proof that women rule. Congrats to Hillary. And to PL.
Congrats.
I thought HRC would finish a close second. Turns out she finished a close first. But Obama’s speech was awesome, and now his “Yes we can” speech is gearing him up for South Carolina.
/this will be fun
Congrats to Hillary Clinton and her supporters! How did the polls get it so wrong?
And yes, Obama gave a fabulous speech.
P.S. Did anyone else know the Daily Show was back on?
Re: the caps. Good god, woman. All that yelling was giving me a headache.
Re: 4. Phillip Martin. Thanks for reminding us!
Re: 7. Phillip Martin
Scab TV.
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See. I told you anything could happen.
Personally, I love it when the networks commit original sin by writing the byline before the game. Brokaw blew it once, Chris should have known better. Watching CNN wait until the last possible moment to call it to give their weeks long worth of reporting some sort of credence was, as always, fun to watch.
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Re: 6. Bodhisattva
Remember the picture of Truman with the Dewey hed? Polls have been getting it wrong for awhile. I think it was absurd to count Hillary out here or anywhere. But this is just the beginning let all the stupid crap, the Swiftboating, the slime begin. HRC is Public Enemy No. 1 to the wing-right-nuts or whatever you call them. Obama did give a great speech!
Re: 6. Bodhisattva
I’m sorry, but WTF was with the Kingarian (?) overtones? Since when did we become stoopit enough to mistake “… I have a dream…” for “…yes, we can…?” And, where does he get off with a speech that long?
I have a dream, and it starts and ends with the United States not letting two, homogeneous states decide who our candidates are going to be. Yes, we can get away from platitudes and bullshi*t.
Re: 11. eight feet deep
I think you’re right:
1) This is far from over.
2) The sliming by the right-wing has not even begun.
Re: 9. Marie
If John Oliver doesn’t have a job he gets deported.
/my brain’s not on strike
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Re: 3. Big Sis
I’m still praying for Mark Warner. Others say Jim Webb. Don’t discount Joe Biden. (Really? Really.)
Re: 6. Bodhisattva
this is PROOF that the pundits should give EVERYONE equal coverage…….
that dead guy, Thompson gets a ton of ink, that 911 whiner , Rudy Cheater, Obama, Hillary….blah blah…Huck, the hick…..etc…..What about the guys that had/have something to really offer …Biden, Dodd, Paul, even little Dennis , with his absolutely fabulous first lady.
MSNBC was packing HRC’s bags this afternoon. HA HA HA, HO HO HO ! ! !
I sent that Numbnuts, I mean Harballs guy a nasty e mail telling him to bug out and let the candidates all come forth:
they are not pundits they are just DITS.
And you can bet the polls are a result of people TOOLING the poll guys……good
Let Ron Paul speak. Let’s take back the country.
/don’t cry, blog girl.(you’ve got mail)
HRC came thru, and I’m glad, if only to shut the fugg up those bastards on TV for 15 minutes………
Little Tim, Chris, White haired guy, etc……can all take a flying leap at a rolling donut.
WOW! Just. Plain. WOW. I feel so…….empowered tonight. Go Hillary!
BTW, I rarely drink and never during the week but this lawyer is going to be alittle hung over from the champagne tomorow morning. Certainly not anything I expected.
I was at a bachelorette dinner tonight and the restaurant didn’t have a television! Barbarians. I had to settle for checking my phone every ten minutes between our “do you remember” and “whatever happened to” moments.
Tonight, I raise my plastic pink martini glass to you, Hilary!
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Very entertaining, the analysts at MSNBC I mean. I just can’t imagine that too many people vote based on Chris Matthews. If he annoys you, don’t watch him. Right? Is our real annoyance with him that he gets paid a lot to be wrong?
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I am the world’s biggest dumbass. I underestimated the Clintons (again). When will I learn?
This is all very exciting.
Despite my Obama preference, it sure is fun to see pundits get it so wrong. Congrats, PL.
“Hillary gave a good victory speech. Not a great speech, but a good speech.”
As long as Hillary doesn’t do a Sally Field “You like me, you really do like me!” speech, I’m happy for her.
Competition is good.
Well, I watched CNN last night. All yall’s enthusiasm sort of rubbed off on me a bit I guess. I faithfully watched the drama unfold. I heard about 6 speeches. And. I’ve had my fill for a while. It must be an acquired taste. Its more fun to read about it, or hear the summary on NPR.
Would someone tell me why the college towns take so long to count votes. You’d think the obnoxious aggressive vine League towns would have the brains and $ to count a mite faster.
Bill R. got 5% of the vote. Damn yankee morons….sigh…
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I was thrilled when Obama won Iowa. I was just as excited when Clinton won NH last night. Perhaps more so, I’m surprised to admit. As I think about how this will all play out over the coming weeks, I find myself hating the fact that one of these two is going to have to lose.
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Re: 22. Coyote Mercuryq
How’d that q get there?
Re: 16. bloggarian chant
Speaking of Chris Matthews, Pam Spaulding at Pandagon has coined a new term, “The Tweety Effect” — where the misogyny of a talking head in the MSM so enrages a demographic that they go out and vote in a manner that will put egg on the face of the talking head.
Hillary can iron my shirt. Go Obama/Strama (Obama/Brown)!
I don’t think it’s sexist of me to say she looked presidential — I’ve said the same thing about men before.
I don’t think anyone gave a great speech last night.
Obama wins South Carolina, and we won’t know anything until almost a month from now.
Anyone else notice Bush has been keeping his head down? That doesn’t help the Dems — we need him out front presidentin’ right up til November. The D candidates are all much stronger, but the less this is about him, the less certain this election becomes.
Re: 21. Tickled Pink
Are we counting PL as a pundit?
If it is wrong to vote against her because she is a woman, it is wrong to vote for her because she is a woman. My guess is that she did not win because of any of her stated positions but rather because the establishment political hacks backing her in NH figured out a way to get out several thousand voters who would vote FOR her primarily because of her sex. How sad that issues like sex or race affect voters choices either way. Clinton got the win because her operatives better know how to play the game in a country that to a large extent is populated by people who can’t get beyond their own predjudices.
Every Republican I’ve seen today is smiling. Hillary is their only hope in 2008 and their hope is still alive.
Re: 21. Tickled Pink
it is.
it was.
26:
and egg on their faces is right.
I’m gonna write Crissy hardballs a followup e mail today.
If Imus, then why not Numbnuts!
One made a bad joke: one is a bad joke.
This polling business has me bamboozled.
Did we just witness the Bradley Effect, whereby honkies tell pollsters they plan to vote for the black candidate because they don’t want to look like racists, but then, in the privacy of the voting booth, vote for the white candidate?
It’s sometimes referred to as the Wilder Effect, because in 1989 everyone in PL’s family told pollsters they planned to vote for Doug Wilder, an African American, for gov of VA. He had a 10-point lead in the polls on the day before the election, then won the election by less than one point. Racists.
Re: 19. Mike Chapman
10-4 on don’t watch him…..there are others in the msnbc mix that I DO give a rats’ xss about, as to what they may add, but in these E day coverages, they are all interlocked, like a bunch of crazed wino bums at some hotel lobby bar in downtown Austin.
some transcript from last nite msnbc….
RACHEL MADDOW: Pat, I will tell you that on the influential — influential perhaps on the left — website Talking Points Memo today, you want to know who they’re blaming for women voters breaking for Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama? Who they’re blaming for this late showing and a big vote for Hillary Clinton? They’re blaming Chris Matthews. People are citing specifically Chris, not only for his own views but as a symbol of what the mainstream media has done to Hillary Clinton.
MATTHEWS: Which website is this?
MADDOW: This is Talking Points Memo dot com. And you’re being cited, anecdotally, not statistically —
MATTHEWS: My influence in American politics looms over the people! I’m overwhelmed myself.
Come on Chris .Save it for the bathroom.
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Re: 30. The Best Ever Death Metal Band in Denton
I lived in Falls Church during that 1989 election, and the Washington Post poll had Wilder’s lead at something like 14 points on the weekend before the election.
Big-time Bradley Effect in Virginia (even though Coleman lost by about a point).
But in New Hampshire some 18 years later? I think it goes back to the tired and trued demonstrable fact that young people don’t vote and old people do — big time.
Re: 32. bloggarian chant
Uhm, yeah i think he was being sarcastic.
I, too, am surprised at how happy I was for Hillary. I’ve said before, I’ll vote for her if she’s the nominee. But only if she’s the nominee. And yes, it will be a FUN campaign.
Fled: I noticed that very same thing. Joy.
PL - congrats, and Joe Biden would be great. That’s a funny SOB right there.
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CNN and some of the others got embarrassed when they called the 2000 election for Gore, and by the morning they were wrong. And they had a great point when Dartmouth and UNH hadn’t returned their votes yet. I’m not sure I would have called that race, either, given history and the chances that it could have gone the other way with the students. There’s such a thing as being too careful, but if they’d called it too fast, they would have been criticized as well.
/never satisfied
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PL,
I perfer my Crow pan fried with blackeyed peas, fried okra, cornbread and sweet tea.
I’ll be by around 12:30.
Dammit!
Re: 34. Lurkette
sure he was. I get that…..In this instance, but I bet he went home and went ….YESSS!!!
before each show, it’s mirrror, mirror on the wall…..
love to post my e mail to him, but I’m not as nice as I am here……d:}>
Lurk on!
I’ve never seen the Republicans around here so happy. Hillary is their only hope for 2008. And New Hampshire just kept their hope alive.
Re: 38. Credentials
I’m with Credentials on this one.
When the numbers jumped from 40-34 to 39-37, it’s easy to see why they waited. Especially with those college votes still uncounted.
Some of us were praying that those college kids would make the two percent difference.
And, let me just say that again.
Two percent.
Puh-lease. Not exactly a landslide “comeback.”
Re: 30. Money Ball
You are DEAD ON right, as is alex re happy Republicans.
The worst part is that *both* Clintons, especially Bill, are associated with going very personal/negative on Obama (”false hopes,” “fairy tale”).
So, in addition to the 47-49% who would never vote for her, you can now expect a VERY effective Republican effort to suppress minority turnout if she’s the nominee. And this time they won’t even have to lie.
Re: 38. Credentials
Dartmouth has what, 5k students? Factoring give a damn and percentages, how many votes could that actually be? A significant bump perhaps but would it possibly make up the 4% deficit?
I got home at 6 and ran out of beer at 6:30…hell, no wonder I was bored.
I wonder if the NH independents thought that BO had it in hand and voted for McCain.
How much of BO’s Iowa win had to do with its threshold rules? Richardson attracted 5% or so of the NH vote, but none of the Iowa vote due to 15% threshold rules.
Who can drink more: HRC or BO?
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Re: 43. treehugger
Well, given that the difference was less than 1,500 votes at one point and we’re talking about both Dartmouth and UNH, the math theoretically worked out in Obama’s favor. Or at least it did until the results came in.
They don’t always explain the numbers when they make their projections - or don’t - but there is, actually, a method to the madness. I can see how some might interpret it as wishful thinking - and who knows, I’m not going to make that determination - but practically, it was the safer way to go to wait.
And what’s the rush? They get blasted for calling it too early all the time, anyway.
I remember PL getting all hot under the kneecaps when they called it for Obama in Iowa after something like 11 percent of the precincts in.
I wasn’t paying much attention to the numbers there, though. PL had assigned me the job of barker in front of the Stephen F, trying to get folks to COME ON IN AND TRY YOUR LUCK AT THE GOLDFISH TOSS so she wouldn’t have to drink alone.
/She drank alone.
If I had to guess as to why the polls were so wrong, I’d say that - after reading the numerous stories on this subject right before the polls closed - it was partly because a lot of people said they weren’t making up their minds until it came time to pull the trigger in the booth.
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Re: 45. Credentials
Orm aybe a 2,000 vote difference. Something like that.
I notice that the LA Times is reporting that after you remove the independent vote (4 out of 10 votes cast) Clinton won 45% to 34% which is a fairly decisive victory among the democratic faithful. I think SlowDownCowboy is right, Obama attracted a lot of people who, once their favorite candidates were eliminated by the threshold rule, just didn’t want to vote for Clinton.
After admitting how wrong they were to have already written off Clinton the pundits on BBC America last night were already reporting that this could be the start of a Howard Dean like collapse for Obama. I guess they never learn.
tree,
with all due respect, cause you know i love ya, to what 4% deficit are you referring?
two percent, my friend. when the two biggest colleges in a teeny tiny state still haven’t been accounted for, it’s worth the wait. at one point, there was an 1,108-vote difference. anything could’ve happened.
Have faith, we’ll spoil his game.
It’s up to us in Nevada now…
Re: 25. Coyote Mercury
Hey! We’ve missed you! Where the HELL have you been?
Re: 29. Phillip Martin
Good point. I suppose PL, and all of us commenters, are pundits. Perhaps I should have said, “fortune tellers” instead. PL didn’t make predictions, she just responded to them. She didn’t jump on the Obama train - she stood by her gal. More power to her.
/still prefer Obama
PL I must say that Hillary is very polarizing and can’t agree with Alex more Re: Happy Republicans. Having trouble naming a person that is riding on the fence that would side with Hillary.
That Obama kid is a damn good speaker.
And where did Hillary get that outfit, from the van Trapp’s curtains?
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Re: 53. hoopla
The curtains. Nice. The Hills is Alive.
OMG! LOL!
Re: 49. double tonic
No worries, dt. At 9-? pm they were still poking at Hanover County and at that time it was tracking 39-40 to 36% which, at that time, was about 7k votes, If I remember correctly. Soon after that they called it for HRC. I purposely left out UNH because its not as much fun to say or type as Dartmouth. Its still strange to me that the University counties would report last unless they were counting on some sort of endgame drama. Maybe I was still recoiling from the WTF-are-you-talking-about Edwards speech and it skewed my memory.
Hey, I’m new at all this political and press analysis. Be gentle.
Re: 1. Longtime Lurker
What exactly is it about the Clintons that would make you vote for someone who will further entrench the status of homosexuals as second-class citizens? (I think you were insinuating that you are gay.)
Re: 46. Credentials
Hey I don’t fault CNN for holding off on the call…I’m sure there is a tremendous amount of pressure on them to be first, so they are to be commended for their restraint.
Nice story about being on the PL street team. Your talents are so wasted at the DMN. Or…you’re like a gem in a 5&10 store. At least I can read the blog without having to deal with the crummy parent website. Cheers.
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Re: 56. treehugger
Hey, thanks!
And actually, I wasn’t directing the CNN stuff toward you - more to the general Pink Populace.
Re: 37. Lurkette
You were surprised at how happy you were for Hillary, and you know what? I was surprised at how scared I was that Hillary won. I’m so totally on the fence, it’s pathetic. It makes me very, very sad, mainly because of the reasons I listed in the earlier thread. (Not to mention uncomfortable since I’m usually so opinionated. Unfamiliar territory, this.) But I tend to agree that Hil’s negatives are so high she would have a very hard time winning in November, and I think Obama may be the one who can pull it off and maybe even shame at least a little of the divisiveness out of DC.
Interesting piece by Casey in the Chron today on the topic of the Obama effect:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/casey/5438977.html
Re: 53. hoopla
HRC’s dress was made from remnants at the Room Store.
I have still been mulling the Ohio State band’s berets.
Is Doug Wilder still wire-tapping?
McLean HS girls always looked down on the boys from Oakton.
Re: 57. treehugger
We know you don’t fault CNN. Eileen does. And we fault Eileen. For everything.
DMW/P:
Get off the fence and come on over to the Obama camp. It’s nice and warm over here, and we’re not racist.
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Re: 61. double tonic
Just sexist.
Re: 60. SlowDownCowboy
How about that twirler dude for the Ohio State band??? Drummers twirling drumsticks = ok. Marines twirling rifles = ok. Twirler dude featured in band at national championship game = strange. Now that I think about it, even a twirler chick seems a bit wierd in this day and age. At least he wasn’t wearing a beret.
Re: 58. Credentials
Hey, had the college kids even returned to school yet? Just wondering.